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charade clues #5: setting exercise [Dec. 12th, 2006|01:40 am]
The art of the crossword

ximenean

[hitchhiker]

  1. SCARLET

  2. TALLOW

  3. PRINCESS



Remember,

  • you can use common abbreviations

  • you can break a word into more than two pieces

  • you can combine those pieces in multiple ways (A and B in C, for example)

  • if you're having trouble with a definition, "for example" is always an option

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[User Picture]From: faxpaladin
2006-12-12 03:49 am (UTC)
1. Bloody damage allowed (7)
2. Haul around everyone fat (6)
3. Secret Service follows dollars around northern royalty (8)
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[User Picture]From: hitchhiker
2006-12-13 06:32 pm (UTC)
1. Bloody damage allowed (7)
2. Haul around everyone fat (6)


Nice, solid clues. Great surface readings too.

3. Secret Service follows dollars around northern royalty (8)

"dollars" for PRICE doesn't work.

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[User Picture]From: kittentikka
2006-12-12 04:25 am (UTC)
1) Viking man in fix over Belloc's sins, say

2) Grease an evening meal; from start to finish two valleys followed one

3) Royalty right on the point, if a load of shit
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[User Picture]From: hitchhiker
2006-12-13 06:30 pm (UTC)
1) Viking man in fix over Belloc's sins, say

Love the definition! "Viking man" is a wee bit unfair - I had to google it up, at any rate, and "Viking Range" still rings no bells. Depends on how famous it is in the US. Very nice clue, though.

2) Grease an evening meal; from start to finish two valleys followed one

This one seems overcomplex. "T" for "tea" doesn't work, and I take it "start to finish" is "all" (that bit's fine), W = "two valleys" (cute) and O = "one" (again, not kosher)

3) Royalty right on the point, if a load of shit

Again, I don't get how "right on the point" = PRIN, and "if" is a shaky connector.
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[User Picture]From: kittentikka
2006-12-13 06:35 pm (UTC)
1) Viking Freeman, maybe? Over in the UK anyone educated could tell you the three ranks of Vike, I think. It's part of the simple-history-taught-to-children. I don't understand how 'Viking Range' would come into it. Of my three this time around, I like this one most.

2) I didn't know 'one' for 'o' wasn't kosher, but I'd have thought 'T' would be fine. is there a reason it isn't, like I need to tell people it's the sound of the word?

3) Would 'right in the point' be better for pRin? Or is this just too soggy? I should have another go entirely?
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[User Picture]From: hitchhiker
2006-12-13 06:43 pm (UTC)
1. hm - okay, I didn't know the etymology of 'carl' was Scandanavian - I googled up "carl viking" and it turned up the president of Viking Range, which I was assuming was a famous company over there. my bad - it is indeed a great clue.

2. No, the meal is "Tea". You would indeed need a further indicator to go from TEA to T, by which point it probably would be too clunky to be worth it.

3. Again, "point" for PIN doesn't really work - it's not a good enough synonym.
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[User Picture]From: kittentikka
2006-12-13 06:47 pm (UTC)
Meatloaf didn't go far enough. One outta three ain't bad.

2) Could I get away with just 'tea' for T, and simplify it like that? Grease tea ... It's another very English clue, if it's got flavours of tea in it, but I could live with that.

3) Thanks. I'll think it over.
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[User Picture]From: hitchhiker
2006-12-13 06:57 pm (UTC)
Could I get away with just 'tea' for T, and simplify it like that?

Not unless 't' is a standard abbreviation for 'tea'.
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[User Picture]From: kittentikka
2006-12-13 07:02 pm (UTC)
Genuine question here - why? Why does there need to be a canon?
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[User Picture]From: hitchhiker
2006-12-13 07:17 pm (UTC)
It's in the interest of fairness to the solver. So the rules are roughly, if you use a word as fodder, use the actual word (no anagram-of-a-synonym, for instance), and if you use a word in the clue to stand for a word in the answer, it should be as near an exact synonym as possible (skipping over the whole 'class membership' range of possibilities for the moment).

This applies to abbreviations and contractions too - they count as "proper synonyms" if they are actual abbreviations in common use. Thus "second" for "S" works, or "doctor" for "DR", because they are accessible to the solver; "tea" for "T" doesn't because s/he has to guess that that's what you mean. The intent isn't so much to have a canon of crossword abbreviations (though it has tended to become that over time) as to use no abbreviation in a crossword that isn't part of standard English usage.
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[User Picture]From: kittentikka
2006-12-13 08:22 pm (UTC)
Aah, that makes it all clear. I had been thinking in terms of crosswords, rather than language. Thank you.
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[User Picture]From: vvvexation
2006-12-12 09:08 pm (UTC)
Grr. For 1 and 2, the best clues I can come up with aren't quite charades.

3. Journalists crowding in about country's leader
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[User Picture]From: hitchhiker
2006-12-13 06:23 pm (UTC)
Nice, though it took me a minute to work out the geometry :)
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[User Picture]From: vvvexation
2006-12-13 07:28 pm (UTC)
You think it took you a minute to work out the geometry....
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[User Picture]From: vvvexation
2006-12-13 07:32 pm (UTC)
Huh. Actually, I only just noticed the alternate reading of "country's leader." I was just thinking "about" would be nicely misleading.
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